is that all you can say? A DominoWiki? Oh my… i will close the thread since that was so embarrassing :(

Dont try to fool me, that you could build a better wiki with Lotus Notes.

Robert, have you looked at DominoWiki on OpenNTF?

Robert breaking it down to that you are right but that is not the scope where i would in general target any domino web installation.

Well for the server you would need a Plesk Root server at last. This does cost 9,90€ a month at 1und1 with suse 9.3 installed.

Installing a new domino Server on that system should be done within an hour or so (I am not that linux expert so times may vary). Installing for example the new IBM Blog template. 5 Minutes and you can go (well you have to spend some more time to configure how it should behave). Any other opensource Domino blog template. Download and install it in the same amount of time. Install a Domino based Wiki on the same server. 5 minutes. Install any other Domino based web enabled database on the same server another five minutes.

The thing is “on the same server”. No dependancies, no this does only work with mysql 4.x that one has to use mysql 5.0. No you must stick to this PHP version. You see what i mean?

Hey, ruhig. Man darf ja wohl nochmal seinen Kommentar abgeben dürfen. Ich würds nur schade finden wenn hier bald laufend englischer Content kommt, das ist immer viel anstrengender zu lesen und man liest es ja trotzdem aus Angst was zu verpassen :P

What are the monthly hosting costs for a Domino server? For a WP-Blog lets compare it e.g. with Hosteurope.de: 2.99/month – WebPak M, space, traffic, and so on – and above all you can install WP with one click since its offered in their hosting packages. Does your Domino provider can install a Domino-Blog with one click or do you need an expert (lets say 300-1000 Euro/day… just to install the blog)?

@robert

Well the price is 130€ or something around that for the licence (express version). And a server to host it.

Not too bad for a company solution. Isn’t it.

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Croatian grammar, hm :-) (does not matter, I myself enjoy a lot to not care too much about english grammar).
Robert. As IT we simply can’t accept every crazy guy able to open his mouth as our new & shiny agenda-setter. Do I expect blogosphere to discuss my bitching about blogging, for the greater good?
The IT has a certain image of being ivory tower, little interested in problems of “average Joe”, etc. But thats often not true.
There were a lot of good & pragmatic new ideas in the last years. Often from the very inside, sometimes from the border (for example heavily graphic design influenced Barcamp) but never from guy like Rod.

Under-informed or bad-intentioned rants, attacks or campaigns are characteristic for enterprise IT. Some of those indignated in this thread might have published rants, attacks or campaigns against other platforms, which does not make much sense/ are not fair from a technical/ economical/ whatever standpoint neither.

Robert, the “teamrooms” we use are IMHO older than any wikis out there and are using the same approach, that everybody can edit an article (if he has the right to do so). They have some big advantages, like the offline capabilities and the ease of use (e.g. drag&drop with files and pictures) without any Wikisyntax.
Of course it may sometimes be better to use “real” wikisoftware, because you don’t need all the features a teamroom offers (e.g. you only have text content). So we do in the IBM Intranet w3.

You cant fight against millions of users out there, testing, enchancing and empowering the tools excactly for their needs.

First, that sounds kinda ideal. Maybe it is that way with WordPress, but there are not many software like that. On the other hand, how many user does Notes have? I’m sure that are millions as well. So what?

What will be the answer of IBM and their Lotus Notes against this movement.

Why “against” this movement. As I understand it IBM wants to go as a partner with this movement.

@Michael, me too dont want to drift away, but just a quick example out from the SMB-Markets: compare the costs of a WordPress Blog to the costs of a Domino based Blog template. Do not forget the costs of hosting, the licensing, the server itself and the administration of the tool (just let forget the facts, that Domino-Blogs have such a small design template base and very few plugins compared to WP, the number of experts, who could install this and the very limited possibilities for the customer to customize the Blog if he would want that). Not that big example but i would never sell a customer a LN based Blog if he has not a LN server. If he has one i still wouldnt do this. But the latter is a different story.

@Daniel, es gibt kein Blog-Gesetz auf dieser Welt, das mich daran hindert, englische Beiträge zu schreiben, wenn es notwendig ist. Zumal von über 5000 Artikeln möglicherweise 2 oder drei auf englisch sind, ähem.. ;) Aber Du hast Recht, *giggel*, ich werde mich bemühen, die Quote wieder anzuheben :))))

@Charles & Jens, not too fast young Skywalkers, not so fast. You focus imho too much onto the aspect of switching costs and method Rod described, which is indeed not near to be good.

But, Rod tries to draw a picture by saying that it could be smart to switchj because there are better solutions out there. Take a Wiki. Dont try to fool me, that you could build a better wiki with Lotus Notes. So does a company have to invest into Notes or a Wiki if there is an interest upon building a really brilliant knowledge tool (one of the main domains of Lotus Notes)? Or, could it be even economically better – if it so – to switch from an existing Notes environment to a much leaner application? Maybe even web based? That isnt too far away comparing the problems of MS regarding the very aggressive strategies of Google, Linux and the whole OpenSource scene. Generally speaking every bigger IT company has to think about the new times, a bigger internet than ever, never sleeping, never standing still: many users are building maybe much better applications. The creative power of a company is limited. You cant fight against millions of users out there, testing, enchancing and empowering the tools excactly for their needs. And this tools arent automatically worse then enterprise SW (old discussion among Open Source and the old dogs like Microsoft). What will be the answer of IBM and their Lotus Notes against this movement. And a part of this movement is already entering the whole groupware collaboration field. Looking at it from that point – and that is what i am focusing on – Rod has absolutely right, to open your minds. Well, bad excecuted with his switching example but its not so important if you concentrate where he came from (what he calls web 2, enterprise 2, office 2). And we as IT experts have not the right to shoot at him just because he is no expert in our field of know-how. we should welcome his raw ideas and try to work with it insteand calling it all BS or try to call him an idiot.

I’d be very interested in further details regarding

i could immidiately name some use cases, where e.g. WordPress beats the shit out of Lotus Notes

But maybe better in a separate blog post since it would be kinda off-topic here… Anyway, many thanks in advance :)

Robert, you really should know better. You have been in the Notes industry before and have been as an expert for a long time. Hence, you really should know, that what Rod is writing, is simply crap, not worth to even comment. You have not seen any comment from me over there just for that reason. I was tempted to post, how to create a new human beeing with a comparable methodology than what he was describing. I asure you, such a comparision would yeld a very, very funny result …… :-D …. and it would not take nine monthes, but a lot less time.

Yes, the community was overreacting, but so are you. That was not worth your time. And Think Basicly about that comparable things would happen, if someone would do the same to any other well known technology: Writing about migrating data from a SharePoint server by screenscraping it …. The cryup would go through the MS-World as well.

… just my 2 Swiss-Rappen to it …

Bitte in Zukunft mehr deutsche Beiträge, bin sehr enttäuscht jetzt hier einen kompletten (!) englischen Beitrag vorzufinden!